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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Dec 15, 2010 6:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The Doctor is NOT in the house (non-dead)

I know we have a few basketball fans here so:

Dr. J is losing his house to foreclosure. What really struck me as odd was that the house was "only" valued at 2+million. While, I realize this is an expensive house to 99.5% of Americans and Forumites, THIS IS DR. FREAKIN J!!! How many shoes did he sell? I had several pairs over my "career" (that's counting grade school, middle school, and high school).

I would venture that he sold a proportionate number of shoes as Michael Jordan and made a 1/1000 of the money.

But, I am not an NBA fan: is this disparity due to MJ being much better than Dr.J or to the times?

TOOTMO

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Dec 15, 2010 7:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Doctor is NOT in the house (non-dead)

This is just one of his houses. He owns several. He owes far more than what the house is valued at.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Dec 15, 2010 6:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Doctor is NOT in the house (non-dead)

the times

as great as MJ was, he was not that much better than the good Dr.

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Poster: high flow Date: Dec 15, 2010 7:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Doctor is NOT in the house (non-dead)

Dr. J was nowhere near the player Jordan was. His merchandise income was likely a speck of dust compared to the mountain of cash Jordan's merchandise produced.

It is no contest on both counts.

MJ made professional sports merchandising main-stream.

I'd much rather hang with Julius. Mike seems like a bit of a tool.

This post was modified by high flow on 2010-12-16 03:01:37

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Poster: user unknown Date: Dec 15, 2010 7:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Doctor is NOT in the house (non-dead)

I still say the major difference in merchandise(and endorsement)income is era related as much as talent related. Dr. J was the MJ of his era

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Poster: high flow Date: Dec 15, 2010 7:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Doctor is NOT in the house (non-dead)

Yes. I agree.

I must add that Jordan was the catalyst for the new era of sports merchandising. Thus, Jordan created something those before him could not. Timing is part of that reality.

The gap in there marketability and is larger than the gap in their skills on the floor.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 15, 2010 8:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Doctor is NOT in the house (non-dead)

I have to agree with Flow...it's a world of difference, on both counts, and the Doc didn't stand out against the background of his day to the degree Mike did in his day. Those that lived, and I mean LIVED both eras will instantly know what I mean by this...part of it is ABA/NBA, part of it is EBaylor/CHawkins/etc (ie, DrJ was "just another" but set apart, I'll accept), and though some might say Russell has more, he was NO Mike...

I could go on and on...

And, don't forget my all time fav, long before Bill W spoke so regularly bout him...wait for it...Flow?

the Big 0

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Poster: advokat Date: Dec 15, 2010 9:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Doctor is NOT in the house (non-dead)

I shook the Big O's hand in Minneapolis at the Final Four - HUGE Thrill for me.

Still, MJ knew who to ask to induct him into the Hall of Fame - the greatest COLLEGE player I ever saw in person (and I hung out at Va. Squire practices) - DAVID THOMPSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (if you saw him in his prime, you know. Ask Bill Walton - i did at the Greeks the night after the Dark Star. He agreed.)

And no doubt, MJ is not a bit of a tool - he's a huge tool. He had a chance to be more than an underwear and shoe salesman but didn't want to impact his brand. His choice - and his loss. When you think of Hanes and Bugs Bunny, MJ is not far behind. When you think of Dr. J, you think of superfro and a red, white and blue ABA ball thundering down for a monster dunk. Legacy trumps cash.

MJ was, at best, the third best player on his UNC team that Georgetown and poor Freddie Brown "handed" a championship. Gentleman James Worthy and Sam Perkins were better at that stage. And to think Dean couldn't coach a team with the starting five of Sam Perkins, Brad Daugherty, Kenny Smith, Matt Doherty and Michael Jordan to a championship.
Hell, Seth Greenberg could have won with that team (or even Paul Hewitt)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 15, 2010 10:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Doctor is NOT in the house (non-dead)

Very cool! Don't forget 0, West and Lucas on the 1960 Oly Team...

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Poster: jerrys beard Date: Dec 16, 2010 7:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Doctor is NOT in the house (non-dead)

I learn so much on the Forum. For example, I never knew that Leon Russell played in the NBA!

That being said, I think the expansion of the Nike empire had a lot to do with it.

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Dec 15, 2010 7:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Doctor is NOT in the house (non-dead)

I grew up lovin' Doc - but I have to agree - Jordan was a much better player - AND his shoe sales DWARF anyone elses. No one even close!!!!

Hope Doc rebounds - god knows he has had family issues with his son and all that already

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